Also have them check the chain length. The upgrade from 105 to Ultegra is incremental from component to component and much can be done as parts wear because parts are interchangeable. The up shifts are stiff and quick. It is easy to change a couple of components later to make the bike feel like a larger size. Maybe 11 speed is it. For me I bought 105 sets because of the price point.. I stopped short of replacing the rear derailleur or the shifters. Having ridden both 105 and Ultegra (currently riding Ultegra) I can say, that from my experience that Ultegra: – gears runs more smoothly when changing gears (especially on hills) compared to 105 – feels stiffer than 105 – brakes better than 105. Le groupe Shimano 105 se retrouve souvent sur les vélos de route de classe moyenne. Thanks for the article, it came at the right time for me as I am looking for a new bike and still ponder between 105 and Ultegra…. Chain only showed very little change, but the new chain and cassette had a very noticeable improvement. I will note that my current bike is Ultegra, I got it 2 years back. The frame geometry, design, and sizing/fit is going to matter more than the components (which is not that much weight and mostly the finish), the only exception is that if the Cannondale Synapse happens to be a disc brake version (in 2015, Canondale made both in the Synapse line). For what it’s worth, if you’re looking for a noticeable improvement in shifting quality, a full overhaul at your current groupset (be that 105 or whatever) will give you the best bang for your buck. there is no difference that would give rise to a different shifting experience in reality (I studied mechanical engineering degree level at university, I have reasonably trained opinion I think). Permalink ... les prix à l'unité ou par groupe devant être peu différents ! None the wiser, that’s where. That would be the first major upgrade for me. Rather than you changing gear physically by pulling on (or releasing) a cable, electronic shifting uses little motors attached to the front and rear derailleurs in order to make the changes. The newest 105 is very slick and, I suspect, the best value of all Shimano groupsets for serious cyclists. Go with what looks best to you and the one that is the most comfortable. Now a (very) quick canter through the different elements of the groupset: If you want more of an idea then this article provides a pretty comprehensive overview of the various group sets on the market. My local REI (US cooperative outdoor equipment chain of stores) priced the one I ordered at $1799, a ridiculously low price, and an expert there said I’d be surprised at how good the model 105 group-set is nowadays, and that I’d probably not be disappointed. The upgrade groupset parts as they become worn out. Ultegra components are lighter than 105 components, making climbing easier. They update every few years so I just replace them when new sets come out. you could be deluding yourself because you spent all that extra money and would feel a fool if there was no functional difference. I doubt I can tell the difference as I’ve only been riding recreationally (75-100 miles weekly) for 2 years. Right now other than 200g and some reviewer claims that the rim brakes are better, the only real difference is the available of electronic shifting with the Ultegra 6870 which can be ignored in the case of this commenter. Ultegra offers crisper shifting and better power transfer. Buy the bike that is most comfortable for you. it would cost shimano more to have different production lines than to just put the same parts in several levers it would cost more to make the cheaper levers cheaper. The bike at $1750.00 will have tax added to that price. Ultegra components are also stiffer, meaning that the bike doesn’t “flex” under the load of hard pedaling, wasting energy. Also, as before, I’ve just converted the GBP prices to USD. The bike online for $1100.00 includes shipping and any fees. Side by side, the Ultegra materials look more premium. Thank you. My last bike had a Dura Ace 10-speed groupset, and the Ultegra brakes are better than those. There may be compatibility issues with the levers but I’ve not tried it myself. The consensus amongst the online cyclo-rati is that there’s not much in it. Then Sora. I’m no Froome-dog and I’ve only returned to cycling reasonably seriously in the last 3 years but my experience is that there’s little between them (unless, of course you want the electronic do-dah). the current ones), again with Di2 options. But it will be interesting to compare the two. Showing the actual prices just complicates things further.). 105 stayed firmly mechanical. Not all these mods are available with 11s yet. There is your performance increase right there! Then I probably bought an Ultegra cassette and maybe an Ultegra 10-speed chain (my memory is a little hazy). It might not look traditional hard core but it screams common sense. upgrading from shimano 105 to ultegra? I ride a 10s but many of the people I ride with have 11s. Its new Hollowtech crankarms and Hollowglide outer chainring are actually hollow structures that facilitate some of the crispest front shifting in the industry. You talked about wheels and I strongly agree that lighter wheels make a huge performance and fun improvement. The same trend is appearing in hydraulic disc brakes and changes to the electronic shifting (current model Shimano hydraulic disc brakes are not attached to any groupset, the first groupset to get its own disc brakes will be Dura-Ace). I can say, though, that the Ultegra brakes are amazing. L'ultégra n'a vraiment pas grand chose de plus qu'un 105 si ce n'est "l'effet" gamme supérieure . I ride about 80-150 miles a week June – October and hope to do some century rides. It’s definitely my favorite groupset I’ve ever owned, and I’ve had a lot. I would guess you’ll be able to find 10s parts for many years to come. I did that with a Cannondale and eventually it was 95% Ultegra, the bottom bracket just kept on turning. All the more so if the new component’s improved performance is held back by an otherwise, ahem, moderately maintained drivetrain. We’ll break down a number of detailed differences next. what does this turd know I hear you say to yourself in your head. That I am still asking these questions at age 66, and still riding at least 2K miles a year while working full time tells you how great a sport biking is!! These are also the middle names of my daughters.). You should check that the rear wheel can be used with both 10s and 11s – this will only come into play if you decide to change later from 10s to 11s. Buying from a Local Bike Shop has a value because you’ll be given preferential treatment over someone off the street when you go in for subsequent work. I would spend my money getting a comfortable frame with 105 components. If you feel a difference, it is a placebo effect. I’m also from Yorkshire and therefore have deep pockets and short arms. The better you are and the more you ride the more you would appreciate the upgraded bike. well I’ve had 5800 shifters apart next to 6800 shifters, I mean totally apart like they’re not supposed to. I surmise that, compared to my 2004 Litespeed Titanium, which has about 22,000 miles and thus has lost some of its comfort to metal fatigue, I will probably not notice much difference between my 13 to 14 year old Ultegra set and the current 105 set in any of the above areas (definitely not in weight, since my Ti has a triple X 9 gear setup). ultegra-change a couple of materials to save a haircut in weight, tiagra-put 10 teeth on the ratchet wheel instead of 11. i’m considering a Cannondale Slate. The bike at $1750 is a size 52 and the bike online at $1100.00 is size 54. Fiable, réactif et économique. the 2015 Cannondale) is today’s 105 (the 2017 Trek). I think that by comparing complete groupsets you are doing everyone a disfavor. That expression doesn’t come from literal year, but from model year. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. Ultegra Di2 et Ultegra normal (le petit frère des Dura-ace, en un peu plus lourd et moins cher.L’équivalent des Force chez SRAM. What are the tricks and tips for inflating a disc wheel? You pay the same price that you would have done anyway. One test I use is to go small/small on the gears – if the chain becomes noticeably slack the chain is too long. Shes also comparing two different model bicycles (an endurance carbon bike from Cannondale with a women’s specific endurance carbon bike from Trek). So now is the time to consider whether upgrading from Shimano 105, a perfectly functional bike groupset, to Shimano Ultegra, a perfectly functional bike groupset, will take you from dog-dog to Froome-dog. But, by then it was 11 speed all around and the rear fork distance has move out a couple of millimeters. And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. your daughters names are Sora and claris.. Nice.. and you are a good writer. My real question is this – are the 2015 Ultegra parts close to the 2017 105 parts? Still have the 105 calipers, so I think that is the only remnant of the original groupset. Because they’re both in the current ‘design generation’ (is that what we’d call it), they both share the modern-looking chunky crank design. The 40 cog is aftermarket, and I took out the 11 cog to make it work. Just a quick note about brakes: I read recently that while Ultegra were the highest rated rim brakes, 105 use the same mechanical action and should perform the same (I can’t compare as my winter bike has discs). It’s one extra. For both, you will need to add a freehub to ensure that … (okay, I couldn’t be bothered to Google what it stands for). that being said, i’m only looking at the ultegra model because of the “better” color option, and the ergonomic design . Shimano brought out a new version of its 105 groupset in 2018, but how does it compare to the top of the range Dura-Ace? Yup you’re exactly right but I there’s one thing to keep in mind with “keeping a frame forever”. If you have to go 105 for the cost, you won’t be disappointed, but it is definitely worth it to think about upgrading the rear derailleur and possibly the levers. Il n'a donc plus grand-chose à leur envier, si ce n'est la cassette 11 vitesses, puisque ce Tiagra reste en 10 vitesses… A part 400 euros, il y a t'il une grosse différence entre shimano 105 R7000 et ultegra R8000 les 2 groupes pour un amateur comme moi. To take a left-field view on all this; people are talking of buying a different sized bike, to get Ultegra, but the most important this is how the bike fits you. Unhelpfully, Shimano released products for, say, 2018, in mid-2017, so there might be the odd inaccuracy. If you want to go faster get a bigger engine (legs). Both are very quick checks. Higher quality springs and pivots allow for solid, instant engagement in shifting. I am on the fence on paying up if it’s not too big of a difference. Ultegra derailleurs will yield better shifting and ultimately will last longer. So I was faced with buying 10 speed stuff that was fast becoming obsolete and impossible to service or a new bike. Well, let’s face it. (*By Kraftwerk, if there’s any justice in the world). Sometimes it’ll change immediately, with hardly any noise, sometimes there will be a slight delay and a definite clunk when it goes. I had a Cannondale 2.8 from the mid 90’s. And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). I also have a cross bike with 105 5800, so I can give an honest comparison. Seems the cost for the Ultegra set is within 20% of getting 105s. My guess is that your chain is too long, and/or you have a bent hanger or derailleur. This outweighs my ‘better equipment better cyclist’ delusions. Posted 7 years ago It’s most helpful in working out which generation of a given groupset you have/you’re buying. Ah, the million dollar £500 (or $700) question. The Cannondale Synapse Carbon 105 2021 model costs £2,200 ($2,838) whilst the Ultegra version is £2,700 ($3,483); Specialized Roubaix Sport (with 105) costs £2,750 ($3,548); the Roubaix Comp (Ultegra) comes in at £3,500 ($4,515). In summary, both of them weigh about 2.5kg. Purists might point to a little more finesse in the Ultegra front and rear derailleur, but there’s not much in it. Way more noticeable than when I upgraded the front derailleur from 105 to Ultegra (I’ve now gone back to 105-only on the Domane). My soft tail Ti mtb is going on 17 years, and the flexing chainstays move hundreds of thousands of times with no apparent change. Your logic is impeccable and it is exactly what manufacturers want you to think; whether it be a bike, a car or a computer. I’m thinking this is wear on those rear gears. => À lire aussi: Comment choisir son groupe de transmission. La nouvelle série ULTEGRA R8000 a été éprouvée sur le circuit professionnel. Before changing anything I would look for the real problem. It looks like because of the way this is written / appearance on Google that a lot of newer cyclists are taking “yesterdays Ultegra is today’s 105” literally. Regardless of where you are from (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, Australia, Macau...) a Fit Werx' bike fit is guaranteed to be worth the trip. It came with a full Shimano 105 groupset (5700 – model range number fans). (Which I reckon is a song lyric waiting to be put to music*). But the shifting was better but I was disappointed with the wheels shimano still do cones and cups for wheel bearings, and the cassette freewheel had lots of play . If it is on the long side for your set up talk to them about removing a link. Then you start looking into gears a bit more. Shimano 105 R7000 groupset — everything you need to know. I did read that about the span being more than an actual year. When you are due for chain and cassette replacement switch to ultegra. You get some idea of the relative costs though. Thank you for any advise I greatly appreciate it. The chainring’s shape blends nicely into the body of the Ultegra crankarm. I think I prefer the proportions of the crankset. Now will I ever like Carbon as much as Titanium? After about 17,000 miles I felt it was time for the chainset and bottom bracket to be replaced and I went with Ultegra at that time – did not notice any change in performance. 11s is the newest and will have spare and replacement parts available longer, and that, I believe is the biggest advantage. Have you tried both? The dents also reveal how many carbon frames might have been trashed in those years. They take very little effort to stop, yet they don’t catch bad enough to throw you over the bars. I have tried this myself and can vouch for it. It’s considered a “new road” bike, both the 105 and Ultegra versions have hydraulic disc brakes (yay) the one in 105 comes in a puke green, while the Ultegra comes in a muted grey. Considerations on weight but most importantly feel are largely based upon the internal mechanism. I subsequently found a decent deal on used Di2 electronics and was able to slap them on. In the big picture, the Ultegra group is 220 grams lighter (which is a little more than ½ a pound) and costs $300 more than the 105 group. replacement parts, a cassette with different gear ratios), that they’re compatible with the gear bits (technical term) that you’ve already got. If you click on an Affiliate Link and then buy something, I get a small commission. (Harry Enfield I’m considerably richer than you). An Ultegra chain has a better, nickel-like finish and a stronger riveting process than allows for a laterally stiffer chain. Le budget n'étant semble t'il pas une question pour toi alors oui fais toi plaisir avec un Ultégra . The answer is Ultegra. That being said I think my 10s can last my lifetime (I’m 65 now) plus many years. Is that the case? With brakes, we notice some nice improvements with the Ultegra: a robust redesigned barrel adjuster; a spring tension adjustment absent on a 105 caliper; and a better brake pad compound. (For completeness, Tiagra is next, followed by Sora and Claris. That means a down-sizing of the whole hood, making it … The marginal upgrade in performance does not justify the significant higher cost. Currently I am riding a 20 year old mountain bike on paved trails. I purchased a used set of Dura-Ace and have well over 10,000 miles on them now. I imagine there is some sophisticated reason why these numbers are there (like, I don’t know, maybe to identify all the individual components within a given set). Both Ultegra 6800 and Shimano 105 R5800 could give 11 speeds and you may get up to five different options in the cassette range. Hello! Aluminum would have snapped long ago, with any flexing at all. But also, friend, it doesn’t matter. If your chain is at or very close to 0.75% stretched change it. Pour l'instant la partie commune à l'Ultegra di2 et au Dura Ace di2 coûte dans les 500 euros. But on a limited budget I would prioritize: – Frame (really the most important decision) – Wheels – Saddle – Groupset (and I could easily live with 105 5800). They both mix value and quality in a package that is highly respected by most cyclists. You won’t generally see Ultegra specified on aluminium frames. It’s no longer as clear cut. Ultegra is better than 105 – no doubt about that. Anyway, to aid comprehension, here’s a little table I knocked up to show the range numbers of the current and prior generations of top end Shimano groupsets: The dates show the ‘model year’ for when each new generation was launched. I am much inclined to go with the current 105 10s configuration and leave more expensive upgrades for later. And it lets one run a larger range cassette. Présenté en avril 2018, le groupe Shimano 105 R7000 est le frère cadet du groupe étendard Dura-Ace 9100 / R9150 Di2 (dévoilé au printemps 2016) et du groupe “best-seller” du manufacturier japonais, l’Ultegra R8000 / R8050 Di2 (dévoilé au printemps 2017). It came with 105. Differences in derailleurs are largely accounted for by springs and pivots. http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/201326-head-head-shimano-105-v-shimano-ultegra. If you ride significant miles you eventually start replacing components as maintenance items. I’m a little late getting in on this, but I just got a bike with Ultegra 6800, and wanted to chime in. Your next bike: Tri bike? Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL.